He Rebuilt His Life After Addiction - This Is How

Building a New Life Worth Staying Sober For

I've asked a couple of therapist and counselors this question. I'm not against them. How many patients do you have in the 50 or under the air? How do I live with them? Can you tell me one patient you have a gain plan for me to be a couple of people free?

Hey guys, thanks for jumping into another episode of Rebuilding Life After Addiction. Justin front of you. I'm here with Rob Reynolds on a consistent long time guest. I'm trying to talk to him and just coasting with me. Because then I don't get interviewed some every time as a guest because you're really not a guest anymore. I wanted to get on and talk to you today a little bit. Just kind of have a conversation on Manu and Seth were on here earlier just chopping it up. That was fun. I got a bunch of great footage that we'll probably use and hold that against me.

It's taught me a variety of recovery. As Christians, we really lean into the new life concept. Knowing that we're new creations in Christ, so we're not who we used to be. The past is gone and completely new creatures. One of the things I think I see a lot of people struggle with is that we've talked about this before. They kind of go back to their old life and end up finding themselves right back into the place of addiction again because they haven't built a new life that's worth staying sober for. I really want to dive into that a little bit. What does that look like? What does it look like to build a brand new life that's actually worth staying sober for?

The Wreckage After Salvation

I hear her all the time when I first got to say Jesus is in me, but here I am. I'm told I'm this new creature, but I walk back into my life that I'm coming out of. Man, everything is there's just as much pain as there was before I gave my heart to Jesus. There's just as much wreckage from before I gave my heart to Jesus. Some of the relationships I used to have, I mean, I can't even reach out to them. Bank account is on zero credit score is like a two. You know them say it and like now. I'm in recovery and I got to clean up the pile of deaths and what does that look like?

So let's just talk about you for a second because that's fine. How did you start that process coming out of prison, Kyra's prison ministries, right? God got a hold of your life. You are falling in love with him. Then you've got to start cleaning the wreckage out there. What did that look like for you, man?

You know, when I got saved in prison, this bastard gave me this scripture and I'm just a literal person. I literally had to put it in my shoes and walk them when they say stand on the word of God. Again, I had parole on what I had parole fees. I was working at, luckily, I went through a program called House of Miracles. I had a place I got top of where I got. I got a cycle for a year. My second team challenge. It was a little more intimate personally, but same concept. But then I graduated and really didn't have any money saved up. I bought a car during that time. But I still had child support of almost $600 from all that I was making back then. At one point, it's just like eight bucks. I think it's making eight dollars an hour. It was literally. It's pretty money. Yeah. You can get your big back today. Exactly. That's about it.

You know, and then I got home in the apartment. And so I had an apartment. My car was paid off because I just got like a little cheap car. But I had bills and I had child support and I had parole and I had all that. And it's like trying to do that. And that's always, I think, that transition period is always the hardest to make it. It's usually where everybody, it gets too tough and I just give up. You know, it's like, well, I can hustling and make money out of the struggle.

Understanding the Years of Wreckage

You know, and the reality of that season, though, is exactly what you said. We have to understand what we spent years destroying. We spent years causing wreckage and debris and carnage everywhere that we're gonna have to take time. Yeah. And so in that cleaning up process, we was talking about this earlier. Like learning character and integrity and honesty. And you said how to be a man, learning how to really be a masculine man. Like, I don't mean that. But like a biblical masculine man. Right. That will stand and trust the woman. So that scripture was probably three, five and six. Trust the Lord with all your heart, lead not on your own understanding. Ignatly to him in all your ways and he'll direct you. Yeah.

So I had to stick them in my shoes every day, get up. Luckily, I lived really like right across from where I worked. My partner's here in Christian restaurant was there. But I worked. I might as 80, 90 hours a week. And then on the days that I had off there today, I'm low-grace during the day. Like I just became responsible, which is what most of us in the dictionary are. And in that hard, though, I mean, you think about it. I can make 20 and 20 minutes. Flip in a bag or whatever, right? Whatever you want. I don't know what they go. They're using these days. It's the right word to use. I don't know. They had a lot of bags and all these crazy slate terms these days.

But when I can do something out of character. Or let me say it this way, I can do something in ungodly character and make 30, make three times four times what I would earn a week and a couple hours versus. I got to go over here and I got to work two jobs. Just to get the whole get out of the hole. I mean, that's not even like enjoying life yet. And so, man, what type of grip, you know, does it take dependence on the Holy Spirit, whatever, whatever word you want to use there, right? To be able to like say, you know, the easy path isn't necessarily the right path. Right? Like, man, eventually, you know, that time that I'm saving. I couldn't have paying for that in a person's self down the road. That's good.

The Grind and the Commitment

And what did that. So you said you were grinded out working 80 hours a week. Right? How did you want? How did you stay committed to that process? Because I knew. Like, I'm new. And most of us in addiction, like we were committed to our. Right. I just talked about that road. My boat was a little more robust. Oh, I'm still going to. We are going to connect that. But I drove a. That is about sick. A little hours and. Totally upholstery second. Because that is a real. That will go viral. Okay. And I need to go viral. It is podcast. It's people. So better ear expense. The mind. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I don't. No. I'm not Jesus.

But, but that in that commitment, man, like that, that grind that hustle. To do the wrong thing. And then trying to like pull that in. And like, I think. I think the difference there is that. With addiction, it's instant gratification. Right. So I feel. I feel the high. The moment I start. And. Or maybe not even the high. I numb the pain of me. Really. Whereas on the other side of it coming out of it, it's like. I have to lean into the pain.

Leaning Into the Pain

I heard somebody said it was George Jordan Peterson talk about this. All the life is suffering. And when you realize that. You learn to approach life that there is going to be suffering. There's nothing. There's nothing apart from life that whatever it is, every piece of life, it's learning how to cope with. Yeah. And find a version of yourself that can live in the suffering. Yeah. And I think that's the. That's the thing I hate about the prosperity of gospel. It's like, God's going to make me happy, healthy and rich. And it's like. You know, he's going to cause you to come and die. Yeah. Like you're going to have to give some things up. You know, it's a suck for a little bit before it gets better. Especially when you have to deal with the wreckage of yesterday.

I think it took me, man, probably a six, seven years in my credit score squared away. You know, because you're doing ministry. And like it doesn't pay very well. You know, you don't say that much right in the ministry. You're under the game. Well, that's another story because I did the same thing. I signed all phone loans with the ministry when we were building it. Yeah. I don't. Don't recommend doing that, by the way. That is not advice. I'm free to ask my first start of the lead.

But so to start to build some of that right on the other end. When did what do you feel like in your journey, man, that like? I got a life that I'm happy that I'm living. You know, that's it. I mean, I was happy because I was free. Right. But at the same time, like all of that went on. I remember, you know, a year or so after I got out of the family. I got my weekend visitations with my kids. And I started to get that. I had an apartment. And then, you know, I met my wife now. And we got married and got a little farmhouse. And she started a Christian daycare.

And I started working at her right before, like a year or two before we started a freedom house. And I remember like when I walked out of the corporate counter. It was a Christian restaurant. But there's still a business. You know, when I walked out of that and we started a Christian daycare. It was actually the first ministry that we jumped into. And I remember like not, I don't mean this in a bad way for anybody that's known it, but not happening to work for somebody else. Understanding I'm working for the Lord. And we're training kids to know Jesus. Because I mean, we pray to them every meal. We told them Bible studies. We used other like the Bible, I have the kids Bible. We told them things we were teaching about Jesus. And it just felt really good.

The Entrepreneurial Spirit

How many people do you think come out of the life that we came out of? I've really been called to be entrepreneurs. And you know what I'm saying is perverted. Yeah. It's dare. Yeah. And that's why they don't end up doing what they're doing. You know what I'm saying? They don't end up finding their purpose because they go. They're a treasure off. They work for somebody else. Or even somebody said they call it the other word for it is intrapreneur. And so it's I'm coming to work for you so that I can learn what you do. And I'm going to benefit. I'm going to grow your business. I'm going to. I'm going to take that level of ownership while I'm working for you.

And that's one of the things I think that that is missing a lot, especially in culture, man, like, like, you know, we're starting this podcast studio. I have, I have in the last four days reached out to four different people of platforms and offered to record their stuff for them for another dollar. I've been paid to do this before. There's no reason for me to do it for free. Right. But the difference is that I'm willing to eat crow for a little bit. Yeah. I'm willing to pay the price because it's going to open the doors up later on. And I think that's that resilient sometimes. Yeah. That ends up missing for those coming out of addiction.

We, we experienced the highs and the lows so fast. Yeah. And, and it's on what a Dave Ramsey said this way. Children do what the old school adults does not devise a plan in following. Yeah. So it's that process. Like, okay, what is the plan? And then how am I going to get to the other end of it? And that's the commitment. We don't have commitment. You know, we have manipulation to give what we want. We don't have commitment.

Learning True Commitment

And that's, and that's what, you know, that's, that's what I said. And we don't even know what commitment looks like. You know, because our commitment was bondage. Yeah. Our commitment was contingent on what you did for. We couldn't break it. It wasn't, it wasn't really commitment. No. Because at some point, you're not choosing to be there anymore. You're so trapped in this lifestyle. You, you, the chains are holding you down. Yeah. And so it's really not commitment. Right? Yeah. Go ahead, sorry.

You see, I was like deceiving what looks like commitment in the beginning. And that's what I mean. And Santos talking about different things, you know, strongholds and different things. I think we really, when God says, you know, in Romans, transform your mom, it, you really have to take everything. Love, commitment, trust, loyalty, all that stuff. The way we thought it was when we was in the world and literally throw it out and get back into where to learn what it really is. Like, learn what that really means to do that.

It's like talking about commitment back then in the hard road. That's the thing. You have to, it's a narrow road if you find it. Yeah. But the gospel does cost you something. You do have to die. You just choose what you got slowly. We're fast. Yeah. And it is, it is a walk that if you want to get past that year or two transition, that's why I think the year long programs are good. I think they're way more effective. But what about the next year when they leave? Like when you're actually out in the world, that's the huge test. Yeah.

You know, when you're in a book, we are around that. When you're in a team challenge, you're afraid of housework program. But when you walk out of that, now you got to put all of that into practice. And I still think another year or two of that, getting back in your feet, learning how to function, you know, and you do have the world stigma where you're a felon or you're an addict and you kind of a leper, you know what I mean? Like, so you're pushed over here and you're not going to get the better job and all that. But you have to be able to commit to the Lord to let him work in you. That's what it was right.

Keeping God First

My commitment wasn't to my kids. I remember when I first got them in one of the weekends and they were up there and they were up there riding around. I was taking them home and I remember Brooke, I think she might have been 16, 17, something like that, 17 probably. And she said that it's about time we have first place in Europe. And I get what she meant. But I remember, I really made her. I remember sister. She walked in. I said, sweetie, you can't have first place. That's been some of the problem. God has first place and then you. And she said also now drugs and everything else had first place. Now God does. I'm like, yeah, but the thing is if I don't keep him first and walk this with him, you're not ever going to have that. Right. Yeah. Yeah, that's really good.

Yeah, I think there is that that process, that commitment piece. A friend of mine, Chuck Balsambo. He's an awesome pastor, but he taught a word out of one of our family weekends years ago. And I'll never forget it. He talked to the process and metamorphosis that a catapult or a butterfly goes through. And the interesting part, we only see the part where they come out of the cocoon. But there's like several steps and he laid them out individually. The process that a catapult goes through to eventually become a butterfly, become transformed. It's a hard. It's, it's a difficult process and like. The timeline. It's getting our time horizon correct, right? This process is probably going to take me longer than I think it's going to say. It's going to be harder than I want it to be.

You and I'm saying, but like, if I do not think, right? And that what the scripture says do not grow weary doing well. Right. The problem is we don't know when that season is going to be. And it's that that patience to be able to slowly trust that this life that I'm building is going to be worth living. There is that part like God, give me the joy of my salvation. Yeah, let me be content and having that. But specifically for men, there's also a desire to build. There's a desire to know that I'm making more progress, right?

And so not to say that our salvation isn't ever enough. But there's a point where you want to start to see the fruit of salvation. You want to start to see healing. You want to start to see some of life come back together. You know, and it's getting to that place. Yeah, I just wish I had known coming out a team challenge. How long that was going to take. You know what?

Trials Produce Maturity

And if you scripturally speaking, I was just sharing with him in first Peter, too. Like it talks about the trials that we go through produce. You know, the core, genuinely, this of our faith going through the trials produces maturity. Right. So the only way to get through that is to learn how to walk through the trials. Like it's not like, hey, it's going to be really easy from here to here. And then you're good. Now, learning how to deal with the difficulties is what really works only inside of us to produce different character and integrity to trust the Lord.

Like first John 1633 says. I miss going on. Sorry, but it says. I told you these things so that in me, you may have peace in him. And then he says, although you're going to go through many trials and tribulation in this world. Take heart. I've overcome the world. So this is where like you have to really have that craving to learn the word and really get an in you to understand. Okay, Jesus is saying through all of the trials. I can have peace in him. I focus on him. I can have the peace and knowing that whatever I'm going to, he's already won. Yeah.

And grounding that in you, okay, I can handle fighting to get my kids back. I mean, it wasn't a year and a half process with everybody on the legal system against me. Right. And every right to be. I was an ex-fellon coming out of prison. I mean, I want to get my kids back and it's been four years in prison. And every cop and everybody there on the other side, I was telling him how bad I used to be.

And the Lord told me, this is where I learned in the beginning trusted. He said, be still and know that I'm God. So I'm 46 and I'm like, okay, that sounds really good, but I'm trying to get my kids back. And then there's the only one you need to just let the Lord fight your battles. Right. So and he was saying that to me, and I'm talking to my pastor, my pastor was praying for me. And you know, my ex-wife was a course in what I would do. She was trying to destroy and defile my character because of what I was. And I understand her protected mom didn't want somebody like that to have her kids. And I'm coming out of prison.

But the Lord was like, and she was an addict too. The Lord was like, you won't say one thing about her. You'll trust me. And my lawyer who my dad and then paid good money to have knew all kinds of stuff. And I said, no, we're not doing that. We're not here to defile her. I'm here to prove that I'm different. And I'm going to trust the Lord. What do you mean you're going to lose in a month now because he's on my side.

And that was my first, like, real test to sit down. That's why I said I put him in my shoes. And I walked in that courtroom every day. And I sit down and made her be quiet. And at the end of it, I will maybe get into what I'll at the end of it. The Joe decided with me because he said, I can tell you're different. Like out of everything that happened, my character didn't shift and moved to my own person. There was evidence that I wasn't the same. That makes sense for me.

Born Again and Brand New

He talked about the new life earlier. Like, we totally believe in that. You know what I mean? But I don't think enough people will really say when Nicodemus came to Jesus and John 3. It's like, hey, what are you going to do? You have to be born again. Right. We throw that term so loosely around. Nicodemus says, what do you mean? And I go back in my mother's room. Yes? Like, not physically. But yes, like you have to really be born again. And when you get born again, you get a brand new life. Right. The spiritual. You get the new life. You know, all of that past 2 Corinthians 5. All things pass away and all things become new.

But if we don't take the time to get to know into relation to his work, to relations. We really won't not just believe it, but know it, to make it a stronghold. Like we stopped earlier in our life. That nothing else can shift us off of. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like it's good. It is new life. But how many people out there don't think that it really is new life? Because there's not enough Christians displaying new life. I mean, yeah. No. And that's part of that life. Not the word of faith type, but speaking things into resistance. Right.

You know, calling things that are not as though they are, you know, understanding, believing. You know, like, like really getting a vision for what the life is supposed to look like. You know, and then being able to constantly and relentlessly pursue that. Which gives you, which gives you the motivation to push through the difficulty, right? Like, like, if I'm not going anywhere, or if I don't have a destination in mind, I don't have a good idea of what life should look like. Then, then what ends up happening is when, like, I end up facing a difficult moment. Facing a trial, right? I don't have anything to anchor to. Yeah.

You know, and so it's like, I need to be able to have something to anchor to. And, and once you get a couple of wins over your belt, marriage, the kids and stuff like that. It's like, like, no, bro, I got too much to lose now. Yeah. Then to go back and do that. You know what I'm saying? And, and really grabbing a hold of that. And I think, I think another driving factor, I know for me in the middle of all that nonsense and the building and all that was really just the gratitude piece. Like, I'm, I'm grateful. Like, I'm alive. Yeah. You know, like, I don't, and I think that's one of the reasons even almost 20 years later. Like, I still share my testimony. You know, I still want liberty came back to his feet. It's always. And like, it's like, I'm not running from who I used to do. I'm running from that life. I'm not him anymore.

But I don't, I don't need to put that in the closet somewhere. You know, like, I don't, I don't need to like forget that that ever happened. You know, I walk into, we were in a room this week with all these political leaders, all these powerful people. I'm wearing an addiction hat. Not a mega hat. Even though I got one of those. Like, but I got a free from addiction. I, you know, walking around, it's like most folks, a lot of folks being a room like that. I'm not wearing something like that. I don't even know that I was an addict. You know, no, no, no, let me, let me tell you. Yeah, let me tell you about about this. And so I think that's the, the mindset, man. I don't know where I was going with that.

Freedom Through the Word

Well, but I think that other, the other avenue we need to hit on that, I believe. And this is, this is what usually gets me in trouble. That's what I'm fine with. But it's like not just the addiction, but the mental illness too. You know what I mean? Because I was by far, we're many depressive. I'm apparently, it's schizophrenic. I'm still 500, 500 milligrams. A seriacool twice a day. And I never leaned off the Indian. Like I was supposed to do. I've been in counseling and never ended therapy since the day that I met Jesus. I got in the word and the word made me free. Because somebody told me to believe that.

And I've asked a couple of therapists in counselors this question. I'm not against them. But I've asked them the same thing. Some that were Christians and some that were secular. I asked the same thing. How many patients do you have and they'll give 50 or 100 or whatever out of all? Can you tell me one patient you have a game plan for a year and two to be completely free? Did they have no answer? Yeah, I have my, I'm in the middle on therapy. So, the reason for that, let me explain. I think some people use therapy as an excuse to not let go something that don't really want to deal with the issue. And so, I'm always going to the doctor but I'm never getting well. And because there's comfort in that, there's comfort in our pain sometimes, because it's familiar. We know it.

Now, on the other hand, actually, I don't walk into some stuff in the last year. And we were going to therapy. I was going with therapy, personal stuff, whatever, and both of us were going to see therapists. And I don't, again, there's another one of those things. I don't care. I don't mind talking to them. No, it's because it's, but there came to a coin where she showed up one day at a therapist. I showed up one day at my therapist. You know, we're kind of walking through these transitions, dealing with two ministries. You know, like, there's just a lot of pressure. And we got to this place where both therapists said, you're good. Come see me in a couple months if you need something.

And I was surprised. It wasn't, it wasn't, hey, I'm going to have you keep coming and keep dragging you along. No, you're here. It's like going to the doctor when you have an injury, right? You go through eight to ten weeks of, you know, maybe you pull a muscle. There's a client. There's a baby right there. We're getting to the end. Yeah. And I think some people end up, and I think it's the same thing with folks constantly coming into recovery programs, right? It's like, they learn to run the program. They learn how to do the program. And, and there's never really an end goal.

And I think that, that's a me, man. It's like, is, is really where a purpose comes in the play. Yeah. Like, you've got to fall in love with Jesus and then let him begin to dictate your purpose. Yeah. You know, and that, that is doing everything the Bible shares. You know, that's living the gospel out. And then in that, in that pursuit of purpose, you're going to find a vocation. And I'm not, I'm not the guy that thinks you should go do a job. Like, yes, there's a season where you do a job that you hate, right? Because you got to do it.

But I also think that too many people are like, I can't, I can't understand it. Like you will run up on somebody, addicted to drugs, you know what I'm saying? Like selling drugs, runner from the, all the craziness, but too afraid to step out in faith for the future. And it's so crazy to me how we can end up fearless in the face of the enemy. But then yet, fearful about pursuing the plan of God for life. And that's something where again, that transformation, do not be conformed, transformed by the renewing of your mind. Well, what does the word say? He's not giving me a spirit of fear, but of power, love and self-discipline, sound mind, man. And we, we can pursue those things with confidence.

And I'm preaching. And I'm just talking. But that's the, that's the goal, right? Like, like, I don't know. And I pray even as I get older, as I get more consistent and try to stay faithful to the Lord, that I'll ever lose that, that boldness, like, you know, the leaping at certain ministry times where we, we went up and, you know, signed off on a property in faith that we had, had no money for, like, I'm sorry to the property owner for hearing that comment. But like, you know, the confidence, hey, God trust is that. I'm gonna jump, forget the parachute. He's got a soft landing for me. And if he doesn't have a soft landing, I'm gonna learn something anyways. You know, it's, it's, it's so good.

So yeah, like, you know, I was a long rant. That's a pretty good one, actually. So it's like thinking of David, I think one of us mentioned David, you said to you, or something, but it's like learning, like, you, Chris, religious people would look at David and say, it was cocky. I don't think he was cocky. I think it was confident. Because of what he went through with the lion and the bear, he was confident to take on the giant. Because he, we talked about that. Like, when you go through this, what these trials and tribulations are for, you go through the trials and tribulations to have something to look back on when we got did from, you know, I mean, it's like, hold on, he brought me through, I know, he delivered from drugs, alcohol, prison, and mental illness. I'm not worried about a giant in front of me now.

So David comes out with confidence, who's the other one, get in, you know, I mean, he whittled it down to 300 men. And then God, he's still a little shaky. He got just go down there and listen to the enemy's camp. He goes down and they're talking about a dream with a rural barley road down the hill. I'm knocking over and the people's like, oh, because the Lord's with them, we're scared. And so then he understood that the enemy, even though 133,000 big to his 300, was scared and knew that the Lord was going to win. So he knew that he wants, he already knew he was going to win. He goes out with 300 people with a horn and a jar with fire, holy ghost and worship. He goes out with that and the feet God does something and they defeat all of them. You know what I mean?

So like having confidence in that our God, but that comes from, that comes from the faithfulness of him in our life that we can, but if we don't go through the trial to watch and do it, and we keep down on them, we're never going to get the track record of his faithfulness in our life. So that's why those trials produced genuine faithness because they built trust with God who's always faithful, but we don't know that. We got to learn that through experience with him. And as we do that, then it's now I'm just going to point out, I don't really care how many demons or what's around. When Jesus stepped off the boat, the whole legion of demons said, oh Jesus, what do you want with us?

Then we have, then you have kids, if you're close to that. That's a whole different life, but that's what we're going to be. It's like, so now I'm responsible for another life. Yeah. Like, you know, but I think that just speaks to the point that like man, like there's going to be some mass and you're going to get through that one problem. I'm sure you're going to start to build some life back up and you're going to come into who you are as a person as a man as a woman, whatever that is. And then like a new season of life is going to come. And you're going to, you're going to have a whole lot of stuff. And then another season of life is going to come.

And in the process, as we're trusting the Lord through all of it, he's shaping us. And then you're going to look back, man, I got 20 years almost now. Like in just looking back and like, I, I still remember what it felt like the day I walked in the team challenge. And I'll never forget it. But like, when there have been seasons, there have been, there have been some struggles along the way. The ministry we were talking about that early ministry is not as easy. So people say it's going to know. No, it's like people will need better recall when you step out. Yeah, those people will betray you. They will stab you. They will take advantage of you. And like, again, it's that character Jesus, right? And figuring that out, seasons of depression, that I battle with, you know, have these seasons of oppression. And it's still something that, you know, I'm keeping an eye on, you know, just being aware of it.

There are going to be high eyes and there going to be low lows and being aware of those things and not allowing it to pull me back to where I was before. Yeah. And it's not my strength, right? And so, so I guess I've got confidence. There are things that I know how to do like I get that. But like, it's the Lord that's been holding me together all these years. Yeah. And and more than holding me together. And I think that's that's where we end up.

The Way Ministries

So before we wrap up the podcast, man, take take a few minutes and just tell people about the way. Well, four, six ministries, ask them where tell them where they can support you as well. And how they can find your own social media. Yeah. So we got a ministry. We got a website that was just telling Justin, uh, we should get, we actually got an app. Oh, okay. Okay. We actually got an app app now. Um, too, but it's the way ministries 146.com. If you want to go check out the website, um, you get on the app store or either Apple or Google and download the the way ministries 146 app. All of that's got the giving platforms on there. We have cash app. We have PayPal. Uh, and and you can go on a website to the giving platform. And you want to even charge you for the work. Okay. So like you want to pay for the before I work. Okay. If you ask why I'm just give it to you. Okay. And no, but we do. We go into the jails.

I go into the Marksburg East and original jail once a week. I go to the juvenile centers once a week, really pouring into these young kids and disciplining them. They're not just getting a Bible study. We're going on taking the gospel to Holy Spirit and power going in there and seeing demons cast out lives getting transformed Muslims coming to Christ. They're praying. The kids now in the past two weeks have asked me if they could pray when we leave together and we get them together and praying in juvenile center. Like God's transforming lives there like you did me. And that's what I, that's what I know God called me to do is go into those places.

We just left a rehab in a place in Kentucky where three different states of different recovery centers come in one place and they do it once a month. And then just 40 some people come to Christ and tap down at the altar there and demons were cast out. People were getting baptized the next day. Like God is just moving and he's calling us to go to places really where not being mean at all. I still preach in churches. I'm preaching in four services this weekend in my friend of Madness church down in Virginia. But to the places the church really doesn't want to go to the place where we used to hang out. You know, the rehabs, the drug corners in the middle of the streets and the jail's prisons into those places. And that's where my heart's at. And that's where we're going to keep going. So do you want to support what we do? So wait ministries one four six, jump on Facebook page or wait ministries one four six dot com and check it out and support us. Thank you.

Yeah, man. Yeah, you guys check it out. Rob lives in faith. I mean, he, he, what he races, his family lives on. God provides and so on. If you guys want to jump on and do that. And thank you for jumping into the conversation. I'm sure you'll see him again on this show on man, if you're if you're listening and you're struggling rebuilding. I mean, maybe just drop something in the comments, you know, and on, yeah, if you have any questions or whatnot or just say, I need prayer for rebuilding. We'd love to pray for you. We'll pray for each comment individually. And you can always connect with us on Facebook, drop an inbox, Instagram, I'm on X. You probably don't want to follow me on X. That's where all my political opinions are. So if you're not conservative, you're going to get offended. But other than that, man, thank you guys for watching the show. We'll see you again soon. God bless.